Forestry Camps
Year | Location | Instructors | Summary | Photos | Reports |
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2024 | White Mountains, New Hampshire | Peter Wolter*, Miranda Curzon* | White Mountains, New Hampshire | ||
2023 | Alberton, MT | TBD | Rod and Connie French Conservation Camp in Alberton, MT | ||
2022 | Andalusia, Alabama | TBD | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, Andalusia, Alabama | ||
2021 | Alberton, MT | Dick Schultz* | Rod and Connie French Conservation Camp, Alberton, MT | ||
2020 | Alberton, MT | Dick Schultz* | Rod and Connie French Conservation Camp, Alberton, MT | ||
2019 | Alberta, Michigan | Doug Stokke*, Jan Thompson*, Billy Beck, Miranda Curzon | Ford Forestry Center, Alberta, Michigan | ||
2018 | Alberton, MT | Dick Schultz*, Miranda Curzon, Tom Isenhart, Jennifer Schieltz, (John Tyndall, tentative) | Rod and Connie French Conservation Camp | ||
2017 | Alberton, MT | Dick Schultz*, John Tyndall, Jennifer Schieltz, Pete Moore, Peter Wolter | Rod and Connie French Conservation Camp, Iowa State University | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
2016 | Andalusia, Alabama | Doug Stokke*, Richard Schultz, Billy Beck | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, Auburn University | Camp Reports | |
2015 | Cloquet, Minnesota | Lisa Schulte-Moore*, Mike Rentz, Cathy McMullen, Peter Wolter | University of Minnesota Cloquet Research Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
2014 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Richard Schultz*, Peter Wolter, Julie Blanchong, Peter Moore, John Tyndall | University of Montana. 100th Anniversary of Iowa State University Forestry Camp program | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
2013 | Alberta, Michigan | Jan Thompson*, Doug Stokke, Jesse Randall | Ford Forestry Center and Research Forest (Michigan Tech University) | Camp Photos | |
2012 | Alberta, Michigan | Rick Hall, Monlin Kuo, Rebecca Christoffel | Ford Forestry Center and Research Forest (Michigan Tech University) North Canal Township Park, Houghton, Michigan | Camp Photos | |
2011 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Richard Schultz*, Lisa Schulte-Moore, Tom Isenhart | University of Montana | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
2010 | Andalusia, Alabama | Rick Hall, Heidi Asbjornsen, Kevin Roe or Jeff Roe?? | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, Auburn University | ||
2009 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Richard Schultz, Julie Blanchong, John Tyndall | University of Montana | ||
2008 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Richard Schultz, Lisa Schulte-Moore | Randy Watkins Recreational Camp | Camp Photos | |
2007 | Andalusia, Alabama | Steve Jungst and Jan Thompson | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, Auburn University | ||
2006 | Andalusia, Alabama | Rick Hall, Lita Rule | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, University of Alabama | ||
2005 | Centennial, Wyoming | Richard Schultz, Lisa Schulte-Moore | Randy Watkins Recreational Camp | Camp Photos | |
2004 | Centennial, Wyoming | Joe Colletti* and Richard Schultz | Randy Watkins Recreational Camp | ||
2003 | Alberta, Michigan | Steven Jungst*, Jim Pease, and Janette Thompson | Ford Forestry Center and Research Forest (Mich Tech University) | Camp Photos | |
2002 | Centennial, Wyoming | Joe Colletti* and Heidi Asbjornsen | Randy Watkins Recreational Camp | Camp Photos | |
2001 | Cloquet, Minnesota | Carl Mize* and Patricia Castillo-Negreos | University of Minnesota Cloquet Research Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
2000 | Centennial, Wyoming | Joe Colletti* and Richard Schultz | Randy Watkins Recreational Camp | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1999 | Andalusia, Alabama | Steven Jungst* and Janette Thompson | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, Auburn University | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1998 | Centennial, Wyoming | Joe Colletti* and Richard Schultz | Randy Watkins Recreational Camp | Camp Photos | |
1997 | Cloquet, Minnesota | David Countryman* and Paul H. Wray | University of Minnesota Camp | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1996 | Poplar Bluff, Missouri | Steven Jungst* and Richard Hall | University of Missouri Forestry Camp | Camp Photos | |
1995 | Andalusia, Alabama | Floyd Manwiller* and Carl Mize | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, Auburn University | Camp Photos | |
1994 | Andalusia, Alabama | Richard Hall* and Monlin Kuo | Solon Dixon Forestry Education Center, Auburn University | Camp Photos | |
1993 | Cloquet, Minnesota | David Countryman*, Floyd Manwiller, Chris Ball (1/2), Mr. David Hansen (1/2), Elwood Hart (1 wk), and Sande McNabb (1 wk). Cook: Provided by Camp | University of Minnesota Camp - This was the last of the ISU Forestry Camps held in summer. | Camp Photos | |
1993 | Topton, North Carolina | Joe Colletti* and Richard Schultz | First 3 week Fall Camp replaced the six week summer camp | Camp Photos | |
1992 | N/A | N/A | No Camp - Low Enrollment | ||
1991 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Joe Colletti*, Monlin Kuo, Richard Schultz. Cook: Doris Richter | University of Montana Camp Directory | Camp Photos | Camp Reports |
1990 | N/A | N/A | No Camp - Low Enrollment | ||
1989 | Cloquet, Minnesota | David Countryman*, Richard Faltonson, and Dean Prestemon. Cook: Provided by Camp | University of Minnesota Camp | ||
1988 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Floyd Manwiller*, Richard Hall, Carl Mize. Cook: Donna Zimmerman | University of Montana | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1987 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Joe Colletti*, Monlin Kuo, Richard Schultz. Cook: Donna Zimmerman | University of Montana | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1986 | Cloquet, Minnesota | David Countryman* Richard Meilan, and Dean Prestemon. Cook: Provided by Cloquet Camp | University of Minnesota Camp | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1985 | Cass Lake, MN | Floyd Manwiller*, Richard Hall, Steven Jungst. Cook: Laura Schilling | Cass Lake, MN | Camp Photos | |
1984 | Cass Lake, Minnesota | Joe Colletti*, Carl Mize, Richard Schultz. Cook: Laura Schilling | U.S. Forest Service (Girl Scout Camp) in Chippewa National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1983 | Sheffield, Pennsylvania | Steven Jungst*, Joe Colletti, Richard Hall. Cook: Laura Shilling | U.S. Forest Service Job Corps Camp | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1982 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | David Countryman*, Monlin Kuo, Richard Schultz. Cook: Laura Schilling | University of Montana | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1981 | Cloquet, Minnesota | Frederick Hopkins*, Richard Hall (1/2), Floyd Manwiller (1/2), Carl Mize. Cook: Provided by Cloquet Camp | University of Minnesota Camp | ||
1980 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Steven Jungst*, Joe Colletti, Richard Schultz. Cook: Laura Schilling | University of Montana | ||
1979 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | David Countryman*, Steven Jungst, Paul H. Wray (1/2), Joe Colletti (1/2). Cook: Laura Schilling | University of Montana | ||
1978 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Frederick Hopkins*, Richard Hall, Dean Prestemon, and Carl Mize (2/3). Cook: Laura Schilling | University of Montana | ||
1977 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, Montana | Wendell Beardsley*, Dwight W. Bensend, Ole Helgerson, David W. Countryman. Cook: Laura Schilling | University of Montana | ||
1976 | Cloquet, Minnesota | Dwight Bensend*, Steven Jungst, Richard Hall, and James Funck. Cook: Provided by Cloquet Camp | University of Minnesota Camp. First camp for Rick Hall | ||
1975 | Cloquet, Minnesota | Wendell Beardsley*, Steven Jungst, Ole Helgerson, and Dean Prestemon (1/2). Cook: Provided by Cloquet Camp | University of Minnesota Camp | ||
1974 | Cable, Wisconsin, Chequamegon National Forest | George W.Thomson*, Ole Helgerson, Frederick S. Hopkins, Henry Webster (1 wk). Cook:Dorothy Holdredge | Taylor Lake, University of Wisconsin Civil Engineering Camp | ||
1973 | Cullowhee, North Carolina (4 weeks), Rougement, North Carolina (2 weeks), | Dwight W. Bensend*, Wendell Beardsley, Lawrence Promnitz, and Paul H. Wray | Western North Carolina College Campus Dormitories were used for student housing | ||
1972 | Quebec, Canada, north of Hawkesbury, Ontario | Fred Hopkins*, Don Dickman, Dean Prestemon, and George W. Thomson | Canadian International Paper lands, | ||
1971 | Quebec, Canada, north of Hawkesbury, Ontario | Frederick S.Hopkins*, Hans Zuring, Dwight W. Bensend, (1/2), and John Gordon (1/2) | Canadian International Paper lands, | ||
1970 | Wanakena, New York | George Thomson*, Gary Dykstrra, John Meadows (1/2), Fred S. Hopkins (1/2), Henry Webster (1wk). Cook : Provided by Ranger School | Wanakena Ranger School. This was the first six-week long camp | ||
1969 | Chippewa National Forest near Wirt, Minnesota | Dwight Bensend, Joe McBride, Victor Smith, and Ervin Schuster. Cook: Rachel Colwell | Completely Unofficial Reminiscences of Forestry Summer Camp-- Filtered by 48 Years of Other Events:CCC Camp near Wirt, Minnesota, July 1969by James A. Stewart, B. S., Outdoor Recreation Resources, 1972, Iowa StateNovember 1, 2017 | ||
1968 | Chippewa National Forest near Wirt, Minnesota | Frederick S. Hopkins* Richard Schultz (1/2). David Smith (1/2), Victor Smith (1/2), George W. Thomson (1/2). Cook: Rachel Colwell | CCC Barracks used by ISU Civil Engineering Department. Fred Hopkins replaced George Thomson who broke his ankle four days before camp started | ||
1967 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, MT | Dwight Bensend*, Fred S. Hopkins, and Richard Schultz. Cook:Rachel Colwell | University of Montana | ||
1966 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, MT | George Thomson*, Dwight W. Bensend, Gordon Gatherum (1/2), and Frederick Hopkins (1/2), Cook: Rachel Colwell | University of Montana | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1965 | Lubrecht Forest, Greenough, MT | George W.Thomson*, William Bentley, and Fred S. Hopkins, Cook: Rachel Colwell | Location: University of Montana Camp Instructors: | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1964 | Franklin, NC for first half and Rougement, NC the second half | Dwight Bensend,* Leonard Kellogg, George Thomson, and Carl Stoltenberg (2 wks). Cook: Rachel Colwell | North Carolina State University Camps on Nantahala National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1963 | Winter Park, Colorado | George Thomson*, Leonard Kellogg (1/2), Frederick S. Hopkins (1/2), and Ken Ware. Cook: Rachel Colwell | Winter Park Ski Lodge on Arapaho National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1962 | Winter Park, Colorado | George Thomson*, Leonard. F. Kellogg (1/2), Carl Goebel (1/2), and Ken D.Ware. Cook: Rachel Colwell | Winter Park Ski Lodge on Arapaho National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1961 | Winter Park, Colorado | George W.Thomson*, Leonard. F. Kellogg, and Floyd Manwiller. Cook: Rachel Colwell | Winter Park Ski Lodge on Arapaho National Forest - | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1960 | Chippewa National Forest near Wirt, Minnesota | L. G. Kellogg*, Frederick S. Hopkins, Carl Goebel,. and George W.Thomson. Cook: Mable and Tennis Larson | CCC Barracks used by ISU Civil Engineering Department | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1959 | Chippewa National Forest near Wirt, Minnesota | Dwight W. Bensend,* Leonard. G. Kellogg, George W. Thomson, and Ronald Jokerst. Cook: Mable and Tennis Larson | CCC Barracks used by ISU Civil Engineering Department Summer Camp was located in beautiful North Country 2.5 miles north of Wirt, MN at an old CCC Camp that had been used as a POW camp and most recently by Lubsen’s engineers. The students visited Dora Lake and the Cutfoot Sioux Ranger Districts and Cutfoot Sioux Experimental Forest where they were exposed to silviculture practices including control burning, degree of stocking and reforestation. The students visited one of the oldest shotgun-fed stream-powered sawmills on the Red Lake Indian Reservation. An outstanding trip to the MANDO Paper Co. at International Falls, MN included being treated to a fine fish dinner at a lodge overlooking Rainy River. One of three recreational highlights was the Conclave that was held the last Sunday in camp with many of the local residents in attendance. Jim Bachman was recognized as “Outstanding Forester”. Recommendation to campers who travel this way, bring plenty of warm clothes and mosquito repellent, you’ll need it. | ||
1958 | Apache Creek, New Mexico | George W. Thomson*, Leonard. F. Kellogg, 1.1. Holland, George B. Hartman (2 weeks). Cook: Mable and Tennis Larson | View write-up about 1958 Forestry Camp (pdf) | Camp Photos | Camp Reports |
1957 | Franklin, North Carolina and Rougement, North Carolina | Dwight W. Bensend,* Leonard. G. Kellogg, George W. Thomson, and Ray Renaud. Cook: Mable and Tennis Larson | North Carolina State University Camps on Nantahala National Forest near Franklin for first half and Rougement, NC for second half | ||
1956 | Deschutes National Forest, Oregon | James Yoho*, Leonard. F. Kellogg, Andrew L. McComb, George W. Thomson | |||
1955 | Sisters, Oregon | Dwight W. Bensend*, Leonard. F. Kellogg, James Yoho, George W. Thomson (1/2). Cook: Lou Aime | Deschutes National Forest near | Camp Photos | |
1954 | Mullison Park, Wyoming | George W.Thomson*, Leonard. F. Kellogg, Dean Einspahr (1/2), Gordon Gatherum (1/2), George B. Hartman (2 weeks) | Brushy Creek Ranger District of the Medicine Bow National Forest. Forestry 50th Anniversary. | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1953 | Fox Park, Wyoming | Dwight W. Bensend*, Leonard. F Kellogg, and Wayne Scholtes. Roger Sutton, a temporary instructor, assisted | Medicine Bow National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1952 | Hiles, Wisconsin | Leonard. F Kellogg*, George W. Thomson, and Dwight W. Bensend (1/2). Arthur Eschner, a Fellow in the Department, also assisted | Faculty and students housed in a school building which was not in use | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1951 | Hiles, Wisconsin | Dwight W. Bensend*, Leonard. F Kellogg, and George W. Thomson. Assistance by Mr. Bauer | Faculty and students housed in a school building which was not in use | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1951 | Brayton Memorial Forest, IA | Andrew McComb*, George B. Hartman, and Russel Getty | Junior Camp | Camp Photos | |
1950 | Kirbyville, Texas and the Kaibab National Forest in Arizona | Dwight Bensend*, Andrew L. McComb, George W. Thomson, and David Herrick | The first three weeks of this camp were held at Kirbyville, Texas and the last part was held on the Kaibab National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1949 | Priest Lake, Idaho | Dwight W. Bensend*, Leonard. F Kellogg, George W. Thomson, David Herrick, | Kaniksu National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1949 | Kaniksu National Forest, Idaho | George. B.MacDonald | Kaniksu National Forest. Junior Camp was held in conjunction with the Freshman Camp | Camp Photos | |
1948 | Priest Lake, Idaho | G. B. MacDonald*, J. A. Larsen, Allen W. Goodspeed, Andrew L. McComb, Dwight W. Bensend, and George W. Thomson | Kaniksu National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1948 | Kaniksu National Forest, Idaho | George. B.MacDonald | Kaniksu National Forest. Junior Camp was held in conjunction with the Freshman Camp | ||
1947 | Priest Lake, Idaho | G. B. MacDonald*, J. A. Larsen, Allen W. Goodspeed, Andrew L. McComb, and W. W. Chilcote | |||
1947 | Kaniksu National Forest, Idaho | George. B.MacDonald | Kaniksu National Forest. Junior Camp was held in conjunction with the Freshman Camp | ||
1946 | Priest Lake, Idaho | G. B. MacDonald*, George B. Hartman, J. A. Larsen, Allen W. Goodspeed, and Charles H. Genaux | Kaniksu National Forest. Because of the large enrollment, the camp made use of the Civilian Conservation Corps barracks and equipment | ||
1946 | Kaniksu National Forest, Idaho | George. B.MacDonald | Kaniksu National Forest. Junior Camp was held in conjunction with the Freshman Camp | ||
1945 | N/A | N/A | Due to the demands of the war and the limited enrollment of technical foresters at the college the summer camps were not held during this three-year period | ||
1944 | N/A | N/A | Due to the demands of the war and the limited enrollment of technical foresters at the college the summer camps were not held during this three-year period | ||
1943 | N/A | N/A | Due to the demands of the war and the limited enrollment of technical foresters at the college the summer camps were not held during this three-year period | ||
1942 | Black Hills in South Dakota | Allen W. Goodspeed*, and G. B. MacDonald | Custer on the Harney National Forest In the southern part of the Black Hills | ||
1941 | Alamagordo, New Mexico | George B. Hartman*, Odell Julander. J. A. Larsen, and Charles H. Genaux | Lincoln National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1941 | Mt Hood OR | George. B.MacDonald | Junior Camp. Mt Hood National Forest and locations in western Oregon. Fourteen junior and senior students attended | ||
1940 | Jemez Springs, New Mexico | J. A. Larsen*, George B. Hartman, Allen W. Goodspeed, and Odell Julander | Santa Fe National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1940 | Bogalusa, Louisiana | George. B. MacDonald* and Andrew. L. McComb | Second Junior Advanced Camp at Gaylord Container Company | Camp Photos | |
1939 | Hiawatha National Forest in Michigan | Allen Goodspeed*, J. A. Larsen, George B. Hartman, and Andrew L. McComb | Camp on Pollock Lake near Rapid River | ||
1939 | Malhur National Forest, OR | George. B. MacDonald* and Odell Julander | First Junior Advanced Camp | ||
1938 | Walhalla, South Carolina | J. A. Larsen*, Roy Thomson, Charles H. Genaux, and Odell Julander | Sumter National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1937 | Kirbyville, Texas and Coconino National Forest in Arizona | George B. Hartman*, Roy Thomson, Andrew L. McComb, and Odell Julander | During this summer, 78 students spent five weeks in camp at Kirbyville, Texas and then set up a second camp at Mormon Lake on the Coconino National Forest in Arizona | ||
1936 | Coconico National Forest in Arizona | J. A. Larsen*, George Hartman, Andrew McComb, Charles H. Genaux | Morman Lake. Dr. Gwynne of the Geology Department gave some instructional work and Dr. Edwards of the College Hospital kept tabs on the health of the students | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1935 | Bend, Oregon | J. A. Larsen*, Roy Thomson, George B. Hartman, and Charles H. Genaux | Twin Lakes on the Deschutes National Forest. The large number of student required the services of four staff members | Camp Photos | |
1934 | Lake Crescent on the Olympic National Forest | Walter H. Horning* and Dwight. B. Demeritt | Camp was near the town of Port Angeles in the northwest corner of Washington State | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1933 | Chelan National Forest in Washington | Walter Horning* and J. A. Larsen | Lake Wenatchee | Camp Photos | |
1932 | Shasta National Forest in California | J. A. Larsen* and Dwight. B. Demeritt | Camp at Burney | ||
1931 | Deschutes National Forest in Oregon | Dwight S. Jeffers* and Walter Horning | Paulina Lake | Camp Photos | |
1930 | Kalispell, Montana | Walter H. Horning* and J. A. Larsen | Camp on Bitterroot Lake in the Flathead National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1929 | Quincy, California | J. A. Larsen* and Dwight S. Jeffers | Plumas National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1928 | Coeur d'Alene National Forest in Idaho | J. A. Larsen* and Dwight S. Jeffers | Hay den Lake | Camp Photos | |
1927 | Munising, Michigan | Dwight S. Jeffers* and Perkins Coville | Lake Autrain | ||
1926 | Otanagon, Michigan, | Dwight S. Jeffers* and J. A. Larsen | |||
1925 | Cass Lake, MN | Perkins Coville* and J. A. Larsen | Pike Bay on the Minnesota National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1924 | Stambaugh, Michigan | Dwight S. Jeffers* and Perkins Coville | Haggerman Lake | Camp Photos | |
1923 | Frazer, Colorado | Dwight S. Jeffers* and G. B. MacDonald | Arapahoe National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1922 | Ashville, NC | Dwight S. Jeffers* and H. J. Andrews | Pisgah National Forest | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1921 | Pelican Lake in northern MN | George C. Morbeck* and Irwin T. Bode | Camp Photos, Camp Photos | ||
1920 | Gallatin National Forest, Montana | G. B. MacDonald*, and George Morbeck | west of Yellowstone National Park | Camp Photos | |
1919 | Arapahoe National Forest, CO | G. B. MacDonald*, and George Morbeck | The camp was established on St. Louis Creek about eight miles for Hot Sulphur Springs | Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos, Camp Photos | |
1918 | N/A | N/A | This was a war year and instead of holding a regular summer camp the men who were scheduled for this work were given jobs on war production work in the woods with the Crossett-Western Lumber Company at Wauna, Oregon. Certification of 12 weeks of war production work in this case was accepted in lieu of the regular summer camp program | Camp Photos | |
1917 | Alamakee County, IA and Chippewa National Forest, MN | G. B. MacDonald*, and George Morbeck | The field period was divided between camps in Alamakee County in northeast Iowa and Star Island on the Chippewa National Forest in northern Minnesota | Camp Photos | |
1916 | Western Route | G. B. MacDonald*, and George Morbeck | For a period of 12 weeks, a 7,500-mile trip was taken and short camps in Colorado, Utah, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, and Minnesota. The transportation was by railroad | Camp Photos | Camp Reports |
1915 | Cloquet, MN | G. B. MacDonald*, George Morbeck, and T. R. Truax | Cloquet, Minnesota and the Superior National Forest | Camp Photos | |
1914 | Cass Lake, MN | G. B. MacDonald*, George Morbeck, and T. R. Truax | The camp was held on Star Island at Cass Lake on what is now the Chippewa National Forest. This first camp included 35 students of the sophomore, junior, and senior classes | Camp Photos |
*Indicates camp director or co-director